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Swift action from FIFA on yesterday's World Cup errors 
28th-Jun-2010 03:54 pm
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Looks like FIFA is acting decisively to avoid any repeat of the controversies around Lampard's and Tevez's goals. Yep. They're going to crack down on replays of incidents like that, at the stadia, at least. From BBC news site:

"(Fifa spokesman Nicolas) Maingot added that Fifa will be cracking down on World Cup match action being shown on stadium giant screens after replays of Tevez's disputed goal against Mexico sparked arguments on the pitch.

Maingot said the replaying of such incidents "should not happen" and will be more tightly controlled at future matches."

Yep, that should put a stop to all that nonsense!

Well, at least the Netherlands are winning at the moment.
Comments 
28th-Jun-2010 03:45 pm (UTC)
I finally heard someone try to explain why replays were a bad idea (it was John Motson of course) ...

... his argument is that football is a flowing and continuous sport, and that part of what makes football football is that sometimes the referees get it wrong, and you just shake your head and keep playing.

I think he's wrong (of course) ... rugby doesn't seem to have slowed down that much with the TV ref ("there is no win, just TRY or NO TRY")

However, as long as TV replays are not to be used to determine goals, penalties, yellow cards etc. then putting up big replays on the screen that show the referee/assistant referees *actually* being wrong just causes unrest and distrust as there's no provision for fixing things *during* the game.

Edited at 2010-06-28 03:46 pm (UTC)
28th-Jun-2010 04:22 pm (UTC)
However, as long as TV replays are not to be used to determine goals, penalties, yellow cards etc. then putting up big replays on the screen that show the referee/assistant referees *actually* being wrong just causes unrest and distrust as there's no provision for fixing things *during* the game.

Seems to be no provision for fixing things, full stop, bar hoping the ref learns from his mistakes but, yes, agree completely.

However, the big mistake is FIFA focusing on trying to keep a lid on dissatisfaction over mistakes when it should be working on how to reduce the errors which give rise to the dissatisfaction without impacting the game (and concensus seems to be that current goal line technology can resolve issues in 0.5s). Referee mistakes are a part of football, but keep it a small part (to paraphrase Avon).

If the FIE had taken the same attitude, we'd still be using human judges for settling fencing decisions. I can still remember how many times I had no bloody idea and desperately hoped the President asked the other judge first! Presidents still make mistakes but the level is much lower than it used to be.

But, basically, FIFA's position is clear and firm and so unlikely to change until Blatter goes.
28th-Jun-2010 04:27 pm (UTC)
Well, Motty's full of shite.

In cricket, a dodgy decision is, in fact, part of the game; in fact, there are extensive umpiring guidelines about "where the benefit of the doubt goes". But in a came like cricket, inevitably, the decisions even out over the course of a match (whether it be 6 hours for Twenty20, five days for a Test, or whatever).

Now, in football, FIFA rulings say a decision has to be made within 5 seconds. However, Hawkeye could tell you if the ball's crossed the line in a tenth of that time. Hell, somebody looking at cameras on the goal-line could say "all the way over, goal" inside four seconds.

You are correct that that replays for shoddy decisions stir up resentment in the stadium, but that's not the fault of the replays, that's the fault of whoever made the balls-up - And, by extension, the fault of FIFA, who refuse to implement the readily available technological means to prevent (or at the very least, massively reduce) such blatant howlers.

And really, what fan wouldn't sacrifice an extra two seconds of game time here and there to prevent grave miscarriages of justice?

(PS - Not an attack on you. Just so we're clear...)
28th-Jun-2010 04:30 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification!

I think my attitude was subtly encoded by the words "I think he's wrong" in my original posting :-)
28th-Jun-2010 03:48 pm (UTC)
Is someone taking the piss?
28th-Jun-2010 03:56 pm (UTC)
No, seriously, Netherlands were leading at the time. And now they've won.
28th-Jun-2010 04:17 pm (UTC)
Appropriate icon is appropriate.

Imagine a (football) boot stomping on a human face, forever?

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Blatter?

The list goes on...
28th-Jun-2010 04:56 pm (UTC)
Imagine a (football) boot stomping on a human face, forever?

Should be fine as long as the ref doesn't spot it initially. After that, he can't change his mind!
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